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Greg Nog
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« Reply #300 on: Feb 27, 2012, 08:42:20 PM »

Consumers!  Choose any of the wide array of airports available to you!  Don't like one? No prob; just go to the next one over, likely only a block away.  They're located in the airport district.  The market works!
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Thermofusion
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« Reply #301 on: Feb 27, 2012, 08:45:25 PM »

Tragedy over Dallas this afternoon when a Doritos-approved pilot strayed into Pringles airspace
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elpollodiablo
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« Reply #302 on: Feb 27, 2012, 08:46:21 PM »

Privatizing the TSA makes sense; they search you, they take any valuables they want, and that's their profit.  If you don't have anything of value on your person or carryon, they can always invoke Prima Nocta instead.

No, it would be more like airports could choose the type of security they provide for their customers and individuals, if its important to them, could choose airports with accordance to that. Most individuals would gravitate towards airports that don't provide security that consists of the grabbing of genitals and private areas or a virtual strip search through a wave scanner. Thusly most airports would not provide their customers with that type of privacy-invasive security. Plus, government would waste less of taxpayers' money. Sounds great to me.

So like, under this model there are... what? A half dozen airports for every city?


*nevermind Greg OTM
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Good Intentions
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« Reply #303 on: Feb 27, 2012, 08:46:46 PM »

Proposing to privatising regulatory authorities = another example of laughable ignorance about the topic under consideration.
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Thermofusion
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« Reply #304 on: Feb 27, 2012, 08:52:46 PM »

GI I'mma let you finish and I know you were on your soapbox earlier about the state of education in the U.S. and the death of the American intellectual or whatever but I just want to point out that all the Ron Paul supporters on this board hail from strange countries to the north
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FreddyKnuckles
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« Reply #305 on: Feb 27, 2012, 08:52:54 PM »

Privatizing the TSA makes sense; they search you, they take any valuables they want, and that's their profit.  If you don't have anything of value on your person or carryon, they can always invoke Prima Nocta instead.

No, it would be more like airports could choose the type of security they provide for their customers and individuals, if its important to them, could choose airports with accordance to that. Most individuals would gravitate towards airports that don't provide security that consists of the grabbing of genitals and private areas or a virtual strip search through a wave scanner. Thusly most airports would not provide their customers with that type of privacy-invasive security. Plus, government would waste less of taxpayers' money. Sounds great to me.

airport screening and security was private in most airports before 9/11 no?  They basically just told all those same people they were federal agents when they created the TSA.  

But to the cutting of agencies, Ron Paul proposes firing the following people:

Commerce: 43,000 employees
Ed: 5,000 employees
Interior: 71,000 employees
Energy: 16,000 employees
HUD: 12,000 employees

So Ron Paul proposes adding 147,000 people to the unemployment rolls on day 1.  Sweet, that should help.  

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Thermofusion
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« Reply #306 on: Feb 27, 2012, 08:58:31 PM »

Privatizing the TSA is whatever, but I still wanna know how or why the fuck you'd privatize the FAA
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FreddyKnuckles
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« Reply #307 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:03:51 PM »

Privatizing the TSA is whatever, but I still wanna know how or why the fuck you'd privatize the FAA

Free market brother!  The free market says that you won't choose airlines that regularly crash and kill hundreds of people, so the airlines will regulate themselves.  Unless the tickets are $80 cheaper, then there's good odds you'll take your chances.
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Greg Nog
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« Reply #308 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:05:30 PM »

I could pretty well see myself being all, "Yeah, but the trebuchet's only ten bucks!  What do I look like, a fuckin' Rockefeller?"
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Babar
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« Reply #309 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:06:01 PM »

Privatizing the TSA makes sense; they search you, they take any valuables they want, and that's their profit.  If you don't have anything of value on your person or carryon, they can always invoke Prima Nocta instead.

No, it would be more like airports could choose the type of security they provide for their customers and individuals, if its important to them, could choose airports with accordance to that. Most individuals would gravitate towards airports that don't provide security that consists of the grabbing of genitals and private areas or a virtual strip search through a wave scanner. Thusly most airports would not provide their customers with that type of privacy-invasive security. Plus, government would waste less of taxpayers' money. Sounds great to me.

So like, under this model there are... what? A half dozen airports for every city?


*nevermind Greg OTM

I said
if its important to them

That wasn't my point anyway, because if what the TSA does would be handled (no pun intended) by the private sector, the junk-grabbing and the exploitive wave scanners would disappear from most, if not all airports. It would at least be a lot better than the monopoly of sexual harassment currently in place.
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FreddyKnuckles
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« Reply #310 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:09:24 PM »

Don't get me wrong, I think TSA are a bunch of unprofessional jackasses, but you're taking it a little far brother.
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Thermofusion
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« Reply #311 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:11:43 PM »

I could pretty well see myself being all, "Yeah, but the trebuchet's only ten bucks!  What do I look like, a fuckin' Rockefeller?"

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Ignatius
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« Reply #312 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:14:11 PM »

Have you ever really been LEERED at by a x ray lady, FK? It's like "whose body is this? Is it mine?" Ugh makes me wanna take shower.
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FreddyKnuckles
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« Reply #313 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:17:26 PM »

No.  I was about to post about how I've never been sexually harassed by TSA, or seen them sexually harass anyone else.   but then I realized I fucking hate the TSA and didn't want to defend them.
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Babar
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« Reply #314 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:25:52 PM »

So Ron Paul proposes adding 147,000 people to the unemployment rolls on day 1.  Sweet, that should help.  

A lot of those people could get jobs in the private sector using their experience and academic knowledge. He also proposes lowering the corporate income tax from 35% to a top rate of 15% which would create a wealth of opportunities for entrepreneurs and innovators and the USA could become one of the best, if not the best, place to grow, develop and nurture business (especially if the corporate income tax would eventually become 0%). Not to mention he wants to get rid of all kinds of pointless regulations that inhibits newcomers to start businesses. All of this would create a plethora of jobs.
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FreddyKnuckles
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« Reply #315 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:30:40 PM »

yeah, that's fucking retarded.
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Babar
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« Reply #316 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:32:18 PM »

Haha live and let live, friend  Cool
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coldforge
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« Reply #317 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:35:42 PM »

I really wish the international political scene were different, such that Babar's youthful libertarian impulses manifested in anarcho-syndicalism rather than the brutal invocations of trickle-down economics and laissez-faire free market capitalism that Paulist American libertarianism inevitably has to boil down to.
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« Reply #318 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:35:56 PM »

Regulation of tin cans carrying hundreds of people whizzing around tens of thousands of meters in the air is entirely unnecessary, of course.
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FreddyKnuckles
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« Reply #319 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:44:52 PM »

Haha live and let live, friend  Cool

I mean, you realize that the practical effect of laying off 150k people in one fell swoop would drastically alter the economic landscape of this country, right?  Like, there are skilled, well-educated people in this country who are still unemployed from the mass layoffs of 2008-2010, and adding 150,000 more skilled, educated people to that would be absolutely catastrophic.  Those figures don't even take into account the hundreds of thousands of private sector employees who have contracts with those agencies.  Dropping the corporate tax rate would grow the economy, certainly, but not at a rate that would compensate for that kind of economic mayhem
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« Reply #320 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:46:43 PM »

We also have a case study in the same - look at the economic effects of the bout of government-driven lay-offs in Britain with the recent change in government.
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« Reply #321 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:53:55 PM »

I really wish the international political scene were different, such that Babar's youthful libertarian impulses manifested in anarcho-syndicalism rather than the brutal invocations of trickle-down economics and laissez-faire free market capitalism that Paulist American libertarianism inevitably has to boil down to.

I think ascribing it to the international political scene is pretty charitable, actually!
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« Reply #322 on: Feb 27, 2012, 09:54:25 PM »

Not to mention he wants to get rid of all kinds of pointless regulations that inhibits newcomers to start businesses. All of this would create a plethora of jobs.

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Babar
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« Reply #323 on: Feb 27, 2012, 10:17:51 PM »

We also have a case study in the same - look at the economic effects of the bout of government-driven lay-offs in Britain with the recent change in government.

We also have a case study where a government recklessly runs its economy with a deficit, accumulating in a public debt larger than the GDP in Greece. Except the USA is a lot bigger country with a lot bigger economy so it would have devastating effects not only in the US, but all over the world. When thinking about politics I think about what would be best for the year 2050. Thinking about politics in 4-year interims only distorts what the most beneficial action is. Ron Paul isn't saying that all will be dandy if he becomes president, it will be very tough and initially there would be massive lay-offs in government-provided jobs but in the long run that will lead to more prosperity than if the policies of today will prevail.

I really wish the international political scene were different, such that Babar's youthful libertarian impulses manifested in anarcho-syndicalism rather than the brutal invocations of trickle-down economics and laissez-faire free market capitalism that Paulist American libertarianism inevitably has to boil down to.

Basically what you're saying is 'I wish Babar was a socialist and not a capitalist'. Sorry, I believe in keeping the fruit of one's labour and don't believe in the involuntary redistribution of wealth. But I have no qualms with people not sharing my views and don't think any of you are retarded or crazy.
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« Reply #324 on: Feb 27, 2012, 10:20:22 PM »

Lots of economies have had debt higher than GDP, including the US during boom times.
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